A new attempt to evict Meshichisten

We have credible information that Rabbis Shem Tov et al, have initiated the serving of new writs to the Crown Heights 770 Meshichisten (including the Gabbai) with a view to having this group permanently removed from the Lubavitcher Rebbe’s ז’ל original headquarters.

The divide between the Meshichisten and regular Chabadniks is set to widen. Even if not successful, this new action is likely to cause many closet Meshichisten (who are outwardly silent for reasons of diplomacy and financial consideration) to become more public and outspoken.

Yeshivah College in Melbourne remains hopelessly contradictory and continues to allow the daily morning thrice recital of “Yechi” followed by “Ad Mosai” (now prior to T’kias Shofar) in the School’s Beis Medrash and Mesivtah Minyan and openly flouts the clear Psak of Rabbi Groner ז’ל.

Not to be outdone, Rabbi Moshe Kahn  of Melbourne’s Chabad Youth takes this two steps further by allowing the recital of Yechi thrice, three times a day at camps (at a minimum) although Rabbi Kahn is not a Meshichist himself.

It is hoped that Chabad, led by what I consider to be the more realistic types, returns to its roots as a once glorious movement that inspires the world-over with overflowing love and a commitment to reconnecting all Jews with Torah and Mitzvos (yes, they also want them to connect to Chassidus, and that doesn’t bother me in the slightest even though I know zero Chassidus).

Meanwhile in Melbourne two of the four individuals seem to no longer dance and prance like a ridiculous Bananas in Pyjamas parody, on the corner of Balaclava and Hotham. Only the “father and son” tag-team remains to be out of control and active. Not much can be done to rein them in, however.

Many members of the Vaad Ruchni in Melbourne are overt and covert Meshichisten. I wonder with whom they will side when the news of the new writ hits the airways?

In that general context, I’ll sign off with the wise words of R’ Aharon Soloveichik ז’ל (HaRebbi Melech HaMoshiach, David Berger, Urim Publications, 2005. p.75, note 7)

To my great dismay. . . publications affiliated with the Lubavitch movement have persisted in stating that I validate their belief that a Jewish Messiah may be resurrected from the dead. I completely reject and vigorously deny any such claim. As I have already stated publicly. . . such a belief is repugnant to Judaism and is the antithesis of the truth. My intent in signing the original letter . . . was merely to express my opinion that we should not label subscribers to these beliefs as heretics. Any statements in that letter which imply an endorsement of their view were not shown to me at the time I signed and I once again repudiate any such ridiculous claim

Author: pitputim

I've enjoyed being a computer science professor in Melbourne, Australia, as well as band leader/singer for the Schnapps Band. My high schooling was in Chabad and I continued at Yeshivat Kerem B'Yavneh in Israel and later in life at Machon L'Hora'ah, Yeshivas Halichos Olam.

6 thoughts on “A new attempt to evict Meshichisten”

    1. He wasn’t the only one. In many ways, I respect his candour. Bruce, if you ask him all your Sheylos, and this is one of your Sheylos, then you probably have a different issue. Namely, what particular action would result from such a question that would necessitate you asking it? I would suggest nothing. Accordingly, I do not know what the meaning of “Psak Din” in this context is anyway. When the Moshiach does come, we won’t need to ask anyone a Shayla. Although we don’t know exactly, it might be Eliyahu HaNovi who actually informs us, or, it might appear exactly as per the Rambam כפשוטו. Time will tell.


  1. I have to agree with you, both in your original piece and in response to Bruce Cooke. This psak din is based upon halachic and Torah sources and therefore has what to rely upon. You don’t like it, prove otherwise.
    However, aside from keeping with the Jewish status quo, for Chabad/Lubavitch to progress into the future it has to carry a message which the Jewish world can relate to. It always has in the past because of the visionary leadership of its Rebbeim. Now that is lacking they have to fall back on the legacy that The Rebbe, OBM, left us. Anything else is surely fatuous and unlikely to succeed.
    It looks unlikely that there is anyone in the wings of the calibre (or anywhere near) of the Rebbe, so the prudent and common-sense approach would be to rely on his writings to forge ahead as a powerful movement providing teachings and chinuch to klal Yisroel as well as leadership and guidance.
    May sechel and common sense prevail in the interest of achdus and ahavas Yisroel.

    A Kesiva v’chasima tova – Leshana tova u’mesuka to you ALL.


  2. It is important that those who are meshichistan do not alienate those who are not when trying to spread their point of view.R telsner made a Shabbat drasha where he compared the arev rav who did not wait for Moshe(& then made the golden calf) to those of us who are not waiting for the Rebbe.I found this very unpleasant & a longstanding member of the highest intellect found it intolerable & relinquished his seat.This member had several meetings with R Telsner after the fact & found nothing to make him change his mind.A great loss to the YC in my opinion.As for me,I read/learn something from the Rebbe every day but I don’t mind if the Rebbe or the previous Rebbe or the ulta Rebbe or indeed any other Rebbe is the mosiah.I find it an unhelpfull distraction.So what matters to me is a combination of what a person says he believes & how that person acts.I am comfortable with people of either persuasion if they are sensitive to those who are of a different persuasion.


  3. Realistically, are you old enough to remember the Rebbe’s instructions about what to do if and after he passed away? It wasn’t “get a whole lot of my books and do weird rituals with them”. For practical matters it was “Aseh lecha Rav”, find yourself a Rav, and for spiritual nourishment associate with senior Chassidim.


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